Episode 33: Re-programming the Nervous System with Breathwork with Jules Carpenter

We have the power to shut off the fight/flight system by tuning into the breath. In an activated, fight/flight state, we take short, shallow, quick breaths into our chests. Consciously slowing down the breath and deeping breathing into the belly signals to the nervous system that we are not in danger and do not need to remain in a fight/flight state.

Chest-breathing creates and continues the cascade events of the fight/flight system. Diaphragmatic breath is the type of breath needed for our healing and for effectively processing everyday stressors. Not only does belly breathing allow more oxygen into the body, it also stimulates the diaphragmatic section of the vagus nerve to activate a calm, restful parasympathetic state.

Jules serves in this world as a trauma-informed breathwork facilitator, empowerment and manifestation coach for adults and youth, Reiki energy healer, yoga instructor, as well as a trauma-informed occupational therapist. She serves a variety of amazing clients from various backgrounds, experiencing childhood birth and adult levels of trauma and uses a somatic breathing approach to help her clients feel process and release and or work through the unhealed or unprocessed trauma in their body with breath work. She believes somatic healing is key to this work, to be in the body in order to release the stored traumatic energy. She wants to help her clients feel safe in their bodies and safe to observe and feel the sensations in their bodies.

Jules has personally worked through her own traumatic experiences with birth trauma, childhood trauma, adult trauma, as well as the current process of leaning into trauma. As someone who has survived the blazing wildfires in California multiple times, she serves others in her local area, as well as fire survivors and has a passion for working with women through birth trauma, as well as being an advocate and mentor for children. She is honored to serve the world one breath and one moment at a time to slow down, go within, feel within, and heal to contribute and impact the conscious collective in a powerful way.

Show Notes

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In this episode, breathwork practitioner Jules Carpenter and I…

talk about somatic practice, the importance of intentionally going into the body, and how breathwork is a fantastic way to reconnect with the body
discuss how animals discharge stressful energy from their bodies so that it isn’t stored as trauma
discuss the widening mind-body gap as we age
discuss using breathwork to process past trauma
share that recollection of traumatic memories is not necessary to heal with breathwork
talk about what to do when you’re in a stressful or potentially traumatic experience or event so that the body doesn’t store it as trauma
share several breathwork techniques that anyone can do anywhere, for free

Transcript

Hello everyone. And welcome back to the podcast. Thanks so much for being here today. I have a really special episode. About breath work. So I’m interviewing Joel’s carpenter jewels serves in this world as a trauma informed breathwork facilitator, empowerment and manifestation coach for adults and youth Reiki, energy healer, yoga instructor, as well as a trauma informed occupational therapist. She serves a variety of amazing clients from various backgrounds, experiencing childhood birth and adult levels of trauma and uses a somatic breathing approach to help her clients feel process and release and or work through.

The unhealed or unprocessed trauma in their body with breath work, she believes somatic healing is key to this work, to be in the body. In order to release the store traumatic energy, she wants to help her clients feel safe in their bodies and safe to observe and feel the sensations in their bodies.

She has personally worked through her own traumatic experiences with birth trauma, childhood trauma, adult trauma, as well as the current process of leaning into trauma. As someone who has survived the blazing wildfires in California, multiple times, she serves others in her local area, as well as fire survivors and has a passion for working with women through birth trauma, as well as being an advocate and mentor for children. She is honored to serve the world one breath and one moment at a time to slow down, go within, feel within.

And heal to contribute and impact the conscious collective in a powerful way. So Jules and I are discussing reprogramming the nervous system through the breath. We talk about somatic practice and the importance of intentionally going into the body. We discuss how animals go through stressful times and then discharge the energy of trauma so that they aren’t storing it in their bodies.

We discussed the widening mind body gap. As we age, we discussed using breath work to process past trauma. Hint, you don’t have to remember the past trauma in order to process it. We also discussed using breath work when we are going through present stress or trauma. We talk about what to do when you’re in a stressful, potentially traumatic experience or event so that it isn’t perceived or stored in the body is trauma. We share several breath work techniques, and we talk about the frequencies of our language and awareness about how we speak about what we’ve been through. So as you can tell, it’s a jam packed episode. I’m not going to say anything else except enjoy.

Hello. Jules welcome to the holistic trauma healing podcast. Thanks for joining me. Yay. Thanks Lindsay. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. So I’m really excited to dive in to your work as a breathwork facilitator. Can you describe what that is? Absolutely. And thank you. I’m so excited to be serving as this facilitator and serving in the world in this way.

So I am a certified breath or facilitator in a breathing modality called alchemy of breath. And the alchemy of breath modality has lineages in. Holo, Tropic and rebirthing breath work, which some people may have interest in and they may have experience with, or know of that. So it’s a blending of both breath, work strategies, and the idea of this breathing.

It’s a circular connected breathing. Every breath leads into the next, allowing you to take in. About three times the amount of oxygen into your body for various healing modalities, as well as moving energy in your body. Also detoxing ways to work on your immune system. A lot of the connection is for releasing trauma in the body, as well as reprogramming your nervous system by breathing in a whole new way.

So with my training, I also have been trained in other breathing modalities. So I. Like to customize them and use other breath work practices I’ve been trained in based on who I’m working with. That’s amazing. So something you said there really stuck out to me discuss reprogramming the nervous system through the breath.

Let’s talk about that. Yeah, please. So important. I had an aha moment when I first started studying breath. Recognizing first that. Most of us breathe in through our chest. We have shallow chest breathing and that to me just always seemed really normal until I started working with my own breath and then started this certification process a few years ago.

And what I learned throughout my training is that the breath nor a typical breath quote, unquote, that is in our chest actually creates and continues the cascade events of the fight or flight system. So all that chest breathing. Activates and continues the whole system. So releasing of those hormones related to fight or flight or anxiety or fear and.

That is why, in my opinion, there is a lot of anxiety and trauma in our culture is because we haven’t been taught first, how to breathe in the right way, not the right way, but in a way that is more effective for our healing and processing every day stressors. Taking your breath out of your chest and into your diaphragm, diaphragmatic breathing, low belly breathing.

You allow in so much more oxygen. And when you’re breathing down into your diaphragm and your low belly, you’re now able to activate part of the vagus nerve and then which the Vegas nerve correlates to the opposite of the fight or flight. System part of our nervous system. So now you can activate the parasympathetic nervous system by breathing low belly breath, diaphragmatic breathing.

So we have this power and ability to shut off that fight or flight system by toning in immediately to our breath and finding out and discovering where we’re breathing. And then reprogramming that breath to breathe different leader in order to reprogram our nervous system. So when you say we’re reprogramming our nervous system, is that something that.

We do moment by moment. Whenever we catch ourselves breathing in the chest, we pause, we switched to die for medic breathing. And the more we do that, the more we get into the habit of doing that type of breathing. And then it has this sort of cascading effect on the nervous system, or is it something.

That are there specific exercises that you can do with the breath to reprogram the nervous system? Or maybe both or maybe not such an awesome question. So a great starting place is just as recognizing like right now where your breath is going into, where are you breathing in? And if you’re breathing in your chest, Then yes, an immediate practice of taking your breath from out of your chest, into your low belly.

It’s a great starting point. The more that you become aware throughout the day of where your breathing is a an a wonderful practice from there. What I recommend when I work with clients is spending a certain amount of time every day, breathing. Diaphragmatically. So for me, it was really important because I was in such a heightened state of anxiousness and fight or flight after really throughout my entire postpartum experience that I was willing to do anything.

So I trained myself to no longer breathe throughout the day in my chest. I breathe. Diaphragmatically all throughout the day. Except times when I’m actually in a threatening situation and I need to be breathing in my chest or exercise, right? Like that’s a normal part of bringing oxygen in your chest.

So I always recommend when I work with people that I think that starting every day, first, recognizing your breath and then spending certain time period every day, breathing only in your low belly and breathing diaphragmatically okay. Those are really great jumping off points to reprogram your nervous system.

Amazing. So it sounds like I detected a little bit of a postpartum comment in what you said. It sounds like you’ve had some postpartum issues, birth trauma. Do you care to talk about that and how breathing has helped you move past those things? Yeah, sure, sure. Absolutely. I really consider these challenging things in our lives to be just great stepping stones, to rise up and move on and grow from.

Although it was really hard, I’m really grateful. Yeah. I have a beautiful four year old daughter and but pregnancy was a little tough for me. Just. My first time, I didn’t really know how hard that was going to be. It wasn’t like this blissful mom blissful, pregnant woman. Like I didn’t feel that way.

I thought I would and I didn’t. And I think my hormones started this event before giving birth and then once I gave birth, it happened pretty quickly. I just wasn’t aware of what was going on, but I went into a really deep. Depression, anxiety and insomnia all together. And I didn’t know who I was anymore.

At some point, I really didn’t know thankfully for me, cause it’s conveyed three people’s experiences with postpartum. But thankfully for me being with my baby brought me joy and love. And I know that’s not everyone’s experience and that’s even, that’s so challenging. I can only imagine how challenging that would be.

But it was a solid year and a half, two years for me a year and a half of not really sleeping at all. Yeah. And a solid two years. And I actually remember the day that I like realized I had joy again, and I knew who I was and It was like four to five months of work of doing this type of breathwork.

And that’s what the change was for me after four to five months. So towards the end of this postpartum experience for me, I have a solid four to five months of working with my own breath. And then I remember the day of breathing and Oh, I feel myself. I feel joy. I’m not in this anxious, traumatic state all day long.

And I completely attested to this breath work, which is why I went on to become certified. That’s amazing. Thank you so much for sharing that. Yeah, I too have found I’ve never done any kind of formal breathwork coaching or breathwork training for myself, but I’ve also had bottles with anxiety, depression, and insomnia, all three happening at the same time.

So I completely resonate with what you’re saying. And I know for me personally Getting into my body and being able to focus on my breath rather than letting those thoughts, just race through my head. Like they’re just a never ending, the brain will never, or the mind never stops.

And so then just how the thoughts create that physical reaction in our bodies. And we actually make the anxiety and we make the deal, make it worse. And of course we don’t do it on purpose, but it’s the difference that I personally have experienced from allowing my mind to just run away with thoughts that then fueled the physical sensations of anxiety and depression in my body versus, okay.

Like I remember last year it was actually this time last year, I was really struggling with being with insomnia again. And I just remember. It had been like two months since I’d really had more than three hours of sleep a night. And I fell out into this space of just okay, if I’m going to be awake, Then I might as well make this a happy productive, meaningful time for myself.

I, so I can either lay here and I can panic and I can, stew over why I’m not sleeping and whether or not I may have some kind of a hormone imbalance or, just, how the anxious mind goes away with it. It starts diagnosing you with things. And I was like I can lay here and I can do that.

Or I can lay here and I can develop a meditation practice and breathe. And that was life-changing for me because it didn’t make me go to sleep. Right away. I wish I could say, I wish I could say after a month I was sleeping again. That did not happen. But what I can say is for me, insomnia fuels anxiety.

And so they’re like, it’s like a negative feedback loop. And so when I learned to just lay there and breathe and meditate and make that part of what I was doing when I was, when I should have been sleeping, I was doing this instead, it brought my anxiety during the day way, way down.

And it took me like another. Seven eight months before I was actually sleeping. And I admit that I finally got to the point where I was like, okay, I’m not living in panic attacks every day. I’m not like, messed up. I’m, but I’m not functioning because I’m just so tired. Just the brain fog was real the not able to function and work and not being able to like plan meals for my family, like little things.

But that, and I was like, okay, fine. I need, I’m going to take the help of medication to sleep. And so I did, but I continue the breathing. I didn’t take the pill and then stop doing the work. I kept doing the work even while I was using medication. Yeah. I kept doing it. I kept doing it and I’m really happy to say it.

It’s nearly the middle of February now. And I’ve been off sleeping medication for over a month and I’m sleeping eight to 10 hours a night now. And if I ever wake up in the middle of the night, or if I’m having trouble going back to sleep, it’s so natural for me. I just go straight into my breath again.

And that does the trick. So for, I was a breathwork skeptic. I will just completely admit to you. Yeah. Was a breath breathwork skeptic. And now that I’ve actually done it, I can tell people who are listening that you’re like, I’ve tried everything, nothing works for me. This doesn’t work for me. It does work.

It’s not an overnight fix. No, but it works. Yeah. Yeah. I love your story. That’s really beautiful. And I really love how many times you emphasized. Like it wasn’t like this overnight thing. It, the somatic practice of going into your body and into your breath is a practice. It’s it is a practice.

It takes your effort and your willingness to keep going to look at maybe things that you’re doing that are getting in the way. And also your willingness to go and let go of the control, which creates the fear in our body. And like that control and we’re not sleeping is I gotta do something.

I gotta do something. This isn’t right. I keep hearing that all these bad things are gonna happen to me if I’m not sleeping or whatever it is, I gotta do something. I don’t feel safe, whatever that is. That we try to control. So that practice also, this sematic practice is that it just is a practice who got to put in your youth energy into it.

Yeah. So let’s talk about, let’s talk about somatic practice. We’ve talked about somatic experiencing here and there on the podcast in previous episodes, but this seems like a really natural time to dive into. What somatic practice is why it’s important, how it helps us to tap into intuition, into healing, into releasing trauma and stored energies that are not serving us very well.

Can you can you talk more about that? Yeah, absolutely. I feel like I used the word somatic like a hundred times throughout the day, whether it’s with clients or even my husband, my daughter, it’s so important to go into our bodies. And even though it sounds so funny, like of course I’m in my body and living in my body, but.

When you begin practicing, going into exactly what’s happening in your body. A lot of times, what I find with people is they realize that they haven’t been in their body in a long time. They haven’t felt these areas of their body. They haven’t actually felt their breath and where their breath breathes them.

So what I learned throughout my breathwork certification, we had a lot of emphasis on trauma and I just like going deeper and deeper into it. But what I learned is that when we have traumatic events occur in our lives, if we aren’t. Taught how to properly process the event and in order to let it work through our body and let go and do its thing right?

Cause our trauma system and our fight or flight system is actually there for a reason for when we’re in a threatening. Event or situation or life-threatening moment. So if we aren’t taught on how like animals do, how to completely just naturally processed that something traumatic is happening or it happened, we form these stagnant energy centers in our body.

So the trauma that we didn’t discharge as Peter Leviathan and amazing. Doctor with trauma. But as he’s called it discharge, if we didn’t discharge this traumatic event in our body, then it gets stuck in our body. And if we’re not living in our body and feeling in our body, it’s hard to know that we have these energy centers stuck so they can show up later on in life as pain.

In our body can have this unexplained neck pain, shoulder pain. I have these belly pain all the time, and I go to the doctor all the time to try to figure out why I get this pain and no one’s able to diagnose it. So those discharged. Energy centers can manifest later on as pain in our body or chronic pain.

Chronic also there is linking to auto-immunity auto-immune disorders as well. Going into the body and then really going into the inner realm. So just taking all of your attention inside into what is happening and starting really simply like I’m feeling a little bit of a buzzing sensation on my right index finger, starting simply starting there allows you to go deeper into how your body feels.

When, like an emotion is triggered. So a lot of work that I do is when a client comes in and they’re, I’m anxious. I’m feeling I have anxiety. Okay. First we’re going to breathe. And then I’m going to ask you to go into your body. Where does anxiety manifest? Where can you tell me it’s happening? And a lot of times, if someone is not in their body and not practicing this, their answers are still emotions and labels.

I’m just feeling really anxious over here in this part of my body. Okay. But what does that feel like? I don’t I don’t feel good. Okay. But what is not feeling good feeling? So then going deeper in that, Oh, I feel. A tightness in the center of my chest. And it actually feels like pain like it’s burning.

Oh, okay. And then going from there, that’s the somatic. What is that emotion in your body let’s work there because once we can, I get into the sematic practice and feel how these emotions are showing up and manifesting in our body. That’s where the healing takes place. Cause to me, emotions they’re temporary physical sensations in our body, but then we give them labels, we call them things and then we want to call ourselves things which just perpetuates this cycle.

So if we can just get rid of those labels and go into what’s actually going on in our body, then you can use your breath to breathe. What I like to say, spaciousness. Into the physical sensation, give it some space, allow it to be there. Just be present. Nothing will happen to you by being present with those physical sensations, but what could happen?

Let’s find out. Let’s breathe into it, give it some time and space and your attention. And often times we see and find that we can take those physical sensations and either completely get rid of them or diminish them to the point that it creates a functioning or a way to function throughout the day.

Yeah. But we’ve got it. We need to live in our bodies. They’re here. We have this incredible miracle 3d body suit that allows us to have these physical sensations happening at all times. And they give us warning just like you said, intuition, like these physical sensations show up and every tune into them, we can tune into clues that maybe something isn’t right for us or is right for us.

But you gotta practice being in the body somatically with your attention and with your breath. Yeah. Do you find that? Okay. So whenever you were saying that you work with clients and you say, yeah, but where do you feel that? And they’re like I feel, this feeling and they’re labeling feelings.

And then it’s trying to get down into another layer. Yes. But where is the feeling? We are dealing with the. Literally the exact same awareness with our teenage children right now, we’re in this space with our kids of trying to equip them with the tools, to be in their bodies and be present and feel their feelings and learn how to breathe into them and how to relax into them.

And. They give the exact same answers while I feel angry. Okay. But what does that feel like in your body? It feels like rage. Okay. But does that feel well, it feels like anger mom, and I’m like, okay, I know that. The reason, it feels like anger is because your body is giving you a sensation and it’s sending that sensation through your nervous system, up to your brain.

And this is happening in milliseconds. And so in milliseconds, you know how to take that sensation and translate it into the word. Anger, but where is the sensation? And so finally we have gotten, we’ve made various small progress, but it’s still progress getting to where my daughter can say that she feels anxiety as a tightness in her chest.

And my son can say he feels anger as a burning in his belly. So it, but it does take practice because even, I think little children, like probably your daughter. And I know some of the little humans that I know are very in tune with their bodies, but then some, somehow some way they get older and there becomes this The divide between the mind and the body becomes bigger and bigger.

Have you noticed that with children versus teenagers versus adults that there’s like this mind, body gap that. Is ever widening the older people get? Absolutely. Absolutely. And I have my own theories on why. I’d love to. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I think a lot of it has to do with school programming.

And unfortunately in most school systems, there, there isn’t time for you to be emotional. There isn’t time for you to have those emotions you need to get to your next class. You need to finish your work. You need to do your homework. You need to show up on time. You need to raise your hands. You have to ask to go to, I really could go into this for a while, but you need to ask permission to do these things.

So I think that trains, and I’ve read things about this, but it really is a theory I have, but I believe that it trains our body and our mind that. We can’t have these feelings unless we have permission to have them. So then we just don’t have them. And every time we’re in school and we get angry, we’re punished, and most schools don’t set us aside and say Hey. What let’s talk about what’s going on inside your body right now? What led to grieve together? That’s grief, but three let’s be still it’s no, you’re just punished. You’re sent home. You’re whatever you are. So that trains the mind. This equals this.

If I have this emotion, then it equals me being punished and I get soccer practice taken away from me. Then I get this because I was suspended, whatever I had detention. So I think that’s for a lot of it starts because just like you said, the younger kids, like my daughter’s four and she can tell me, I’ve asked her how is your body feeling?

And she can tell me I feel. She can tell me what her teeth she’s told me, what her teeth feel like. Like that’s really in tuned to be able to tell me what your teeth feel like, or that she feels really warm. She’s been able to voice these things as a four-year-old. So just like you said, and that’s before school programming.

So I think school programming has lots to do with it. And just our culture. Everything is fast. There is no time for you to have emotions. You have to get onto the next thing. Once we get in this rat race, there’s no time. The only time that you have is work so that you can make money to pay your bills to do this and that.

Oh, even talking about it, like for me, that makes tightness across my chest. It’s like talking about that. Yeah, my throat is tight right now. Yeah just having that conversation. Cause I lived in that, through my teenage years and early twenties until I started practicing more mindfulness.

So I think that yeah, schooling and then society and schooling go hand in hand. The schooling is teaching you and programming you on how to function in your society, which is so fast paced. And the emphasis is not on our self-care. It’s just on making money and paying your bills and living with, keeping up with the Joneses, yeah. Yeah, I agree. I agree with you. I just don’t know how that applies to my kids because they’ve always been homeschooled. Yeah. And there was a reason why they were homeschooled. I just, I could not, and this is not a judgment on anyone who does send their children to school. I understand that we all do what we gotta do and you don’t need to feel bad for the choices you make for your family.

But I remember my son being four years old, he’s 17 now, but I remember him being four years old and me thinking that he was going to be going to kindergarten in a year. And just I saw that little boy with all of his innocence and his love of playing and he was still taking a nap in the afternoons and and I was like, I can’t do that to him.

Like I just can’t, I can’t put him behind a desk and make him follow a rigid schedule and I just can’t do it to him. And my kids are 17 and 15 now and they still like, they don’t wake up until eight 30 in the morning. And if they want to take a nap in the afternoon, they can. But they still, like my kids, they are older and I totally acknowledged that.

I haven’t always been as. Aware as I am now or as mindful as I am now. And I think that I did a lot of things early on. I’m a recovering perfectionist. I had a lot of fi my primary traumatize ups are I’m a fight fall in type. So I haven’t always been like soft or gentle. I’ve had a lot of harshness that I’ve had to work through, which was really just walls inside of myself that needed to come down and.

Being a parent and working through your own trauma shit is really difficult. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I just, I think that’s curious and it definitely gives me something to think about, but again, my kids are 17 and 15 now and I still don’t think it’s too late, even if we’re just now having these conversations, if they don’t get it right now, maybe when they’re 25, 28, 30 years old.

And they’re going through a hard time. Maybe they’ll look back on this time and they’ll go, Oh, my mom used to ask me where I felt my feelings. No, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. That’s another piece of it is then looking at our own programming and how our own programming is then projected on to the people around us.

And it’s not our fault. It’s just. If we were not given the tools in order to process these things and work through them and find mindfulness and somatic practices at a young age, it’s not our, it’s not our fault. But I definitely don’t think it’s too. I don’t think it’s too late for anyone now, but I think starting if someone, if you, or someone’s listening to this, they’re like, Oh my teenagers start now.

Cause I totally believe that men into their twenties and thirties. If you especially set up a nice practice of this is a thing that we do as a family, and we’re going to tune in and everybody’s going to answer the question. And even if they roll their eyes at it, now, the more that you do it, and then you can ask those questions when they come home Oh didn’t choose to go hang out with me this day.

Okay. What are you feeling? And then taking it into that area and then they’ll start. Developing that process all on their own. Yeah. It’s not too late for anybody. It doesn’t matter. I don’t think how old you are. Yeah, totally agree. So I want to talk about two ways that breadth, where it can help us process trauma.

So I think when, what most of us think of as trauma is something that happened to us in the past that we are still feeling okay. The mental, emotional, physical, spiritual affects from months or years later. So abusive childhoods developmental trauma, childhood illness, abusive parents, things like that, that, really implanted this hidden programming and wounded our inner child and kind of has kept us stuck ever since.

So I’d like to talk about using breath work, to deal with. How we process through past traumas. And then I would like to find out from you, if there’s a way to use the breath when we are in the midst of a present situation. For example, my son had surgery last week. He had a deviated septum and we had that fixed and then he had his turbinates and his nose needed to be reduced because he was having trouble breathing and he was awake for the surgery and we chose to do it awake because I have all kinds of thoughts on general anesthesia and the brain and trauma.

And so I was like, if we can do it awake, let’s do it awake. And it also saved us a lot of money. So we did it awake and. I went from being like he was holding my hand and at a certain point, our doctor was very observant of him and she had him sitting up and at a certain point, his face just, he lost all the color in his face.

And she noticed it before I did, because I was paying attention to what she was doing and she was paying attention to him. And so his, the color drained from his. Face. And she just immediately, without even making a big deal out of it, she was like, I’m going to lay you back. And she laid him back and another nurse brought in some ice packs and we put some ice on his forehead and just, and the color came back into his face.

And then I realized, Oh, I need to stop watching what this doctor is doing. And I need to get down in my son’s ear and Because he had started to shake a little bit and he wasn’t in pain, but you could hear it, things being done inside your head and that’s really stressful. And so I got down at his head and I was like, Hey, you’re shaking right now because you’re going through a potentially traumatic experience.

What your body is doing is normal. You are safe, you are okay, this is going to be over soon. And then I was like, let’s breathe together. And so I’m like, I want you to breathe into your belly for four counts and I would count to four. And then I was like, now breathe out for eight counts, just very slow.

And then, and I did that with him for probably three or four minutes and it really calmed him down. And and so that was like, I think I hope that helps beautiful. That experience be less traumatic for him. Definitely. Could you answered my first question about how can we use breath work?

To process the effects of trauma that are in the past that we’re still experiencing in the present. And then how can we use the breath when we are actually in the middle of a present stressful situation? Sure. Yeah. And seriously that I just commend you that so beautifully did that with your son.

That really will be beneficial for him. That’s awesome. So breathwork to process past trauma. I find that the open mouth circular breath work is a really wonderful practice for. Releasing past traumas. So before I have a client even work with an open mouth circular breath, we practice that somatic practice of what are you feeling?

How is it showing up in your body? So just learn and understand this. The sensations in our body are temporary and we can breathe into them in order to release them and diminish and to reduce those feelings from there. And from there, I’ll say that I really believe it’s important to first start there.

And if you’re not there, then that’s the starting point is some magic practice. First with just breathing into it, into the sensations from there using. This particular breath work I’ve been trained in the alchemy of breath. So this open mouth circular breath, it brings in three times the amount of oxygen into our body.

So this is something that I recommend being guided on because there are physical sensations that can occur with bringing in all this extra oxygen. And without guidance. They can definitely be a little scary or just if you’ve never been in your body, it can feel really overwhelming at times.

So being guided by somebody who’s actually certified in the beginning is an important so using this circular breath and bringing in this extra oxygen is moving energy in your body. So you have the ability to move these stagnant energy. Areas of your body also areas that you’re feeling pain.

You have the ability to move the energy in there with all the oxygen going into your blood, right? Going into yourself, it’s going into your brain. It’s going into your heart. So you actually have the ability to move the energy in your body. So the practice then is allowing the movement. So if you’re practicing this circular breath and it becomes overwhelming and then you stop breathing, then you’ve stopped the process of this energy moving.

So the practice then is trusting that the sensations that you’re feeling are safe for you to feel. They’re just temporary sensations. They’re not forever sensations and they’re safe for you to release. So it’s safe for you to breathe. So safety is a huge part of this. So continuing this slow circular breath, sometimes we speed it up as well to allow this energy that may be arising in your body to release.

And that can release in the form of shaking, like your son experience over bodies show overall body shaking, and just be little areas of shaking. Some people just have IC like tremors in their cheek and their shoulder and their legs. It can also be in the form of sounds. Some people have like real, huge cough and like real chest releases.

Tears laughter different areas will tighten up in our body and the more that you can breathe through them, you’ll feel this movement and this release staying with your breath, trusting that is safe to breathe. So the circular breath has a really. It’s very beneficial for moving these stagnant pieces of our body.

Especially if it’s trauma that you may have never process and they have never had the tools to process. But again, it’s really important first to evaluate if you’re in your body before going into this practice it’s really important to be grounded in your body. Does that answer your first question?

Yes, it does answer my first question, but I have a little tiny followup question. So does a person have to be able to conjure up the memory of whatever happened to them in order for this to work? Yeah. Awesome question. Absolutely not. So my my. Studying into this has led me to understand that’s like old school trauma processing and that it’s, it really hasn’t been that long that this newly developed understanding that we do not have to go into the story.

And actually by going into the story. There’s less healing and processing that takes place. And so when I have clients tell me they have these traumatic experience, I never ask them to detail the story for me ever. In my experience with that, when we start to want to tell someone these traumatic stories than we allow ourselves to then get stuck into the story and then to take on either like the victim mode of it, where then we can get, stay stuck there in the victim mode and stay stuck in the story and then stay stuck in blaming.

And so that isn’t allowing us to heal and process. When we’re stuck like that. So when you have your story, it’s a part of you, it’s a part of your past, but I’m not going to ask you about the story. Don’t need to be detailed in it, but when your, you allow yourself to feel the sensations. Of a point in your life, not the story, but a point in your life.

You’re a member may have been a traumatic point in your life and then feel the sensations that arise and then do continue your breathing to allow the sensations to be there. Explore them, just be a witness to them, purely witness the sensations and breathe with them. That’s where the magic is happening.

We can feel those sensations of what that traumatic time may have been without going into the story. Yeah. Yeah. I actually am sad when I have had some clients recently tell me like I’m switching therapists because she keeps having me go into the story and I’m not getting anywhere. And I just breathe with them.

I’m not going to ask you to tell me the details of your traumatic story. I’m really sorry that happened. Yeah. Yeah. Let’s process the energy from that, that you weren’t able to process what stands out for me whenever you were saying all that. Yeah. Is if we’re okay. Experiencing the day to day physical, mental, emotional.

Let’s use the word symptoms. We can use the word symptoms, I think for experiencing the day-to-day symptoms of trauma, anxiety, attacks, panic disconnection from our emotions, just association, whatever it is. Yeah. We’re already stuck. We don’t need to keep telling the story to people because our bodies are telling us the story already in the way that we feel.

So I love that you said we don’t have to have a recollection of the memory or of the story for this to be effective because I think. I know for me in some in therapy that I’ve done in the past my therapist has suggested several times that I, she suspects that I have some type of sexual trauma that I’ve repressed.

And so we’ve tried various hypnotherapy and meditations and EMDR and whatever for me to try to go back into the archives of my unconscious memory and try to figure out if this is what’s going on. And finally, one day I told her like, Look, I don’t think I have sexual trauma. I really, don’t not like I wasn’t molested, I wasn’t abused if I was, I’m going to trust that like my body is, has re like hidden, not for me for a reason, and that I can proceed with my healing as if that is part of my story.

Even if I don’t know if it is, I can proceed and Move through it. And I don’t have to be able to conjure up the day and time and the person and how old I was and all of that, because I know trauma, there is a lot, I have personally experienced a lot of amnesia from trauma. There are big chunks of my life that I don’t remember very much of.

And. I haven’t lost information yet for her things that I think might be like really important to now. But it’s if I trust my body, if I say I trust my body and I do, but if I say I trust my body, then if there’s something that it’s like, Put so far back in my subconscious that I can’t bring it up no matter what it is, then I have to trust that is doing that because that’s what’s best for me.

And then I don’t necessarily have to know what it is for me to heal. Yeah. I totally agree. Totally agree. And to heal from it, it’s just then be able to recognize what’s showing up in your body. Let’s just go there.

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Yeah. Yeah. I don’t need to conjure up the details. Yeah. And then bring myself into that and then feel really sad for that happening to me.

And then get back to, into the story. That’s not progressing me forward. What’s happening now. But what do we need to work on right now? It’s what’s showing up. Yeah. Yeah. So about now what for someone, so I also think it’s important to like, maybe clarify if it’s important to clarify. I’m not sure, but let’s say, okay, here’s actually a really good example. A few weeks ago, my husband was driving to work. He had black ice with his car as he was going around a corner and he was on the highway and he rolled his car into the ditch. Now it was he is okay. But he said, as soon as he felt his backend start to fish tail, he said, I knew I was going to roll.

And so I just let go. I relaxed everything in my body and I rolled and I was like, first, I was like, Holy fuck. And he just. And he wasn’t sore the next day. Like he didn’t have whiplash, he didn’t have any markings on his credible. Really. And so obviously that for him was not traumatic.

And I think it’s because he like relaxed into it. He he knew it was going to happen. He accepted it and he literally let go and was like, I’m not going to try to keep. Control of this when I could roll my car the other way. And if he would have rolled his car the other way, he would have gone off the side of a cliff.

So he rolled the right direction. He like, he was totally fine. He, his car protected him. His car is toast, but he’s fine. And so that’s one of those, like a car accident, a fall a head injury, something like that is something that happens like. This moment. So that’s a trauma though. It could be a trauma for some people, but it doesn’t have to be, as my husband is like proof that it doesn’t have to be, but then there are also things that ended up being traumas that are like, they’re long-term right.

Like the long-term emotional. Yeah. Agree for going through a divorce or the child’s sickness or a loved one sickness or financial stress, like things like that. So I guess we’re breaking this question down into even further sub categories, but how can people use their breath if they are like in the present going through a really rough time.

If it’s like a single incident, like a car accident, or if it’s like an ongoing issue, like financial stress or grief or loss or something like that. Yeah. I’m so grateful by the way that your husband’s okay. Yeah. So thinking about the present moment incident and something that your husband did, is he surrendered?

So that is a big piece in that he let go of the control and he surrendered, which relaxed his body also allowed him to probably take a big breath. Okay. I’m going to roll. I’m sure he had some really big breath releases there he must have. Yeah. I’ll give you an example that. Recently I was in an almost car accident moment.

And when that happened to me, I realized that my body was shaking right after it happened. So in my past, I would have just, okay, I gotta go to work. I’m just going to keep breathing. Nothing happened. But instead I pulled my car over. I allowed my body to shake. And I practice belly breathing. So I did some diaphragmatic breathing and I was counting my breath in for a count of five and out for a count of five.

And I allowed myself to lean into the feelings that the feeling right, the emotion was that I was really nervous and the emotion was in my mind. I created Oh, okay. That really made me feel nervous. And really, I feel really scared right now. So I just stopped. So I could feel where that was showing up in my body.

And I felt where that was showing up and I breathed into it still practicing, counting in for five and out for five, letting it all happen. Not once did I stop the shaking? I didn’t try to move or change any of the sensations that were going on in my body. And I think I was pulled over for five or six minutes.

That took that traumatic experiment. It was like a head-on that took that potentially traumatic experience and it removed it from that being a trauma in me. I don’t have any fear on the road. I’m not feeling that way. I don’t feel like a car is going to come in the front of me. I could have. And I’ve done that before being in a car accident and not stopping after the traumatic accident to allow the shaking, allow the feelings, the allow the emotions and feel them and breathing.

So in the moment I it’s really important to just be still with it. The more that you’re resisting it. The more it’s persisting in your body. So I would definitely say if a traumatic experiences happening in the moment, and let’s say even another example fire. We are, I’ve experienced several wildfires in our lives in California, my family and I and I realized this last fire, I have, I work on a traumatic fire experience and I realized this past year that I have more work to do in it.

But this past fire that we went through was different for me. Cause I, I don’t feel like I went into the resisting that it was happening. It was happening. And I needed to just acknowledge it as it’s happening. Acknowledged that my breath was speeding up. My heart rate was speeding up and use my breath to calm that down in order to make a plan.

And the plan was getting my family out without me having a freak out. So I remember actually clipping my daughter into her car seat. And the first time that we had a fire, I wasn’t rack. I was barely able, I spilled milk. Like I literally grabbed milk out of the fridge as we were going out of the house.

And I just. Spilled it all over her clothes. And this second time I had like a plan. It was very grounded plan. This is, we need to get out of the house now. And the dogs, this is grab the bag. And I remember putting in her car seat and thinking wow, last time I could barely get you in the car seat.

Cause my hands were shaking so much. But I’m just acknowledging that this is happening right now. So I’m getting you in your car seat because this is what’s happening and I’m breathing. And actually, as we were driving out of the fire, I said to my daughter, Hey baby, we need to breathe. And she was shaking.

Her teeth were chattering and she said, mama, what’s going on? My teeth are just moving so much. And I explained what it is to her. And I said, that’s normal, baby. I want you to allow them to keep chattering. That’s okay. You’re feeling really nervous right now. I’m it’s okay. I’m right here. We’re safe.

Like we’re out of the fire right now. We’re safe. And so she just did that. And then I said to her baby, I am shaking. Mama’s feeling like my body is shaking too. Let’s just allow the shaking. And we did that and we both took slow deep breaths as we allowed the shaking to happen. So in the moment, allowing whatever physical sensations are happening and let them be there without resisting them because your body is trying to is helping you.

But getting grounded is important. So using that slow diaphragmatic breath, once you can get grounded, then you have a plan of action, especially in a real trauma, a real life-threatening situation. You have a plan of action. Your husband was grounded and he allowed himself to let go and breathe. And the plan was my car.

I’m gonna let my car roll. I’m not going to resist it the other way. That was a grounded plan. And he did that and it saved his life. I hope I’m answering your question. I’m going on tangents, but the most, okay. Okay. The most important thing is, so how do we get grounded? We get into our body and we feel what’s happening inside of our body.

We let it be there and then use our breath. Diaphragmatic, slow breaths. To keep us grounded and not wrapped up into the story of what if no, right now what is happening? Okay. That’s where I need to act from is what’s happening right now. And I cannot do that. If my breath is.

Shallow and going at a million miles a minute, and my heart is beating so hard. That I can’t even take a breath. I won’t be able to make a plan, a grounded plan of action. And then I will say then after the experience, it’s also really important that you are. In your body breathing and allowing those shaking or however your body’s manifesting dis that’s discharging the trauma.

So every year body is discharged charging the trauma, let that happen. I really would love to see people on the scenes of car accidents, actually, especially with children. And just explaining to them, Hey, it’s okay for you to feel that I want you to sit with me and just let your teeth chatter and let your hands shake right now.

I want you to don’t stop it. I’m going to encourage you to just let that be there and then we’ll breathe

and feel that release. Sure.

Yeah. So in the moment, and then after. The experience are both critical and in the moments much harder, but the more that you practice being in your body and feeling what is arising, it becomes easier. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that after piece is just as important. It’s so critical after we go through even a traumatic surgery.

Yeah. Yeah. Cause the after piece is it’s similar to what a wild animal does after they’ve been chased by a bear in the woods. When I see a deer or I live in the woods, when I see a deer who’s, just been run across the road because trying to avoid being hit by a car or potentially chased by a predator, like you see them do this whole body shake after they’re done my dogs, do it whenever they get out of the bath, they do this full body shake, but.

Not only does that release and discharge that energy, but it’s also after you’ve been through something like a car accident or a fire, or being chased by a bear or almost hit by a car or something like that, you’re discharging that energy. But it’s also It’s like that liminal space between okay, here’s what happened.

And now I have to keep going in my life. And this is how I’m integrating that into my experience is like with that aftercare thing I actually want to become This is an aside, but I’ve been trying to find information on how to get certified in psychological first aid with, without being a therapist.

Cause I’m not a therapist. So I’m trying to find a program where I could be certified in psychological first aid without having to be a therapist, because I would love to be like a person in my community that if there’s a fire or an accident or. Something that happens a death or something in our community that like I can show up for people and help them do these things in the moment, be grounded in their body, be in their breath, let their bodies do whatever they need to do.

Shake with them, cry with them, whatever. I guess I’m putting that out into the world now, getting on the podcast is if you know how I can get certified in psychological first aid without being a therapist, please let me know. Yeah, that’s so great. So how can we use breath for longer term events that have the potential to be traumatic?

Nursing a sick child or a sick spouse, or going through a divorce or the loss of a parent, something like that. How can we use breath work for those longer term situation? Yeah. Yes. Sure. So if it’s longer term and you’re finding yourself first in a state of like kind of panic, when these things come up or the idea that creates panic or anxiety, I definitely recommend doing a box breath, so it’s not my breathing.

This is a. Breathwork strategy developed by Mark divine. He’s a former Navy seals. So the box breath is really powerful because you’re taking in-house whole exhales and holding your breath at the same amount of time. So it’s equal amount of time. It can bring you immediately out of the fight or flight response.

And into your body. So it was developed for Navy seals when they are actually in life threatening situations. So they stayed grounded and they didn’t allow that the fight or flight system to take them into a story, which saying. Took them into, out of the present. So that’s a really wonderful breathing tool to stay in the present when you’re feeling the emotions of panic or worry or anxiousness.

And when you’re feeling those emotions, just get into that box breath four, four, four, four balance really powerful. And you don’t have to do that one with your eyes closed. So I can’t tell you how many times, especially throughout my experience that I would do that breath while I was driving, like something.

Something just happened. I just got a text on my phone that something just happened to someone else. And and so I can come into my box breath. That’s a powerful one. Another one is just staying grounded. Is taking, I mentioned it before, but this is a little, this is different. So staying grounded throughout a longer term experience.

So my first response would be getting into slow counting of your breath. So in even five or six seconds, actually it’s called heart coherence breathing. And that. Brings your breaths per minute down to about five. So you really stay in a nice pair of sympathetic. Part of the nervous system really calming.

I recommend starting with five seconds cause I can already feel it. And then six X six seconds is also really powerful. And then I will say overall, like practicing diaphragmatic breathing every day for three or four minutes can just help keep your nervous system at ease. And then can just create a nice, like you’re generating for the rest of this day and more peaceful and calm place to live from.

Especially starting your day with diaphragmatic breathing. Yeah. Yeah, for me, it’s reminding me of, Oh, and I did cold plunges during the summer 2020 staying grounded in my body and my breath whenever I’m in the cold water. One of the things that I learned how to do was to suppress my body’s shiver response to the cold.

So it wasn’t that I wasn’t letting my body do what it needed to do. I was trying to teach my body that it could be in this stressful environment. Cold and be safe. And so I did a lot of counting timing, myself, mantra. My mantra was I’m comfortable being uncomfortable. And then I got to where I would really crave the cold water because it’s like my body knew that it was doing really good things for me.

And I talked more about this. In episode three of the podcast, I believe. But anyway, I’m saying all that to say that whenever I had complete control over putting myself in this stressful situation and when I was going to get out, because I had complete agency over when I got in the water and when I got out, I didn’t have to be in there for one minute longer than I wanted to be.

But. That had this carry over effect into other areas of my life, where I was intentionally stressing my body out and showing it that it could do hard things. And then whenever I actually was in a hard situation, it was like, it had that memory of, Oh, we can do this. And it helped help to build that nervous system flexibility and resolve.

Resiliency. Yes. And that’s what I’m hearing a daily practice of breathing can do is, Start that daily breathing practice. Now, whether you’re going through a stressful situation or not start it now, because we’re all bound to encounter a stressful event eventually. And then you like have already built up that muscle memory and that resiliency in your body and in your nervous system to be able to go through stress, like much more easily.

Would you agree? Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Amazing. We’re tracking. Okay. So in the email that you sent me, you said that you’d like to talk about why our words matter while we’re healing or working towards a life or a dream or a vision for ourselves and the power and frequency of our words.

Can you share more about that? Yeah. So I love to study language and understanding language and how our words create frequencies and our emotions create frequencies that we’ve put out there in the world. So another important element to healing to me is being really aware of how we’re speaking about what we went through and what we learnt.

To see for ourselves in terms of our healing. So I think it’s a very important to speak in the present moment as though you already are. Whatever it is that you want to be or whatever it is you want to feel. And I have clients who have lots of things going on in their body. I encourage them every day to talk to their body as though it’s the healthy, thriving, functioning body.

So I am grateful for my healthy, thriving, functional body. My organs are working for me exactly how they should be working for me. I am so grateful for everything they’re doing for me. And that is a practice within itself. And just understanding that when you are saying those words, you’re creating a frequency out here into this realm that it is, then you’re allowing yourself to match with that frequency that your body is healthy and functioning and pain free and thriving.

So I have found this to be a very powerful. Exercise to create mantras when we’re healing. And also when we know specific and then getting really specific about what we want. I no longer absorb other people’s projections, right? That can be a mantra or making that positive. I only absorb the most beneficial and light energies throughout my day.

And so creating these mantras as though they’re already happening, instead of I’m going to be a healthy person, my body is going to be healthy and thriving some day. No, it already is. And that’s really important. It already is. So show up as though it already is, because it is the only thing that prevents us as the stories that we tell ourselves that it’s not, and it’s never going to be.

Does that make sense? Totally. Yeah, totally. I have a lot of passion around language. It actually probably annoys the hell out of my husband sometimes, but sometimes he’ll say something I’m like, Oh no, it’s not going to be, it just is. It just is Oh wait, I do that all day long. I love it. I want to circle back at the very beginning of our interview.

You mentioned something that I have had. A little bit of a fascination with, but not quite enough to ever try it. You mentioned holotropic breathing. So I have heard that you can enter an altered state of consciousness, similar to what might happen if you took some sort of a psychedelic drug or mushrooms by doing whole atropic breathwork true or false.

Very true. So that is the circular breathing that I leave clients through. So depending on what they want to do, if they want to go deeper into it, I’ll lead them into a faster circular breath experience. It’s a here, this is where I healed from is allowing myself to go into those really wild, deep, dark places and with my breath and knowing that it was safe Yeah it’s incredible.

I’ve had some of the most psychedelic experiences breathing versus taking an actual psychedelic. So it’s also really appealing for people who may not want to ever take a psychedelic medicine that you can access those realms and connect also with spirits and ancestors just through your breath.

So how long? So I have taken mushrooms and LSD before, and the experience usually lasts eight, eight to 12 hours. So how long does it last, does it only last during the duration of the breath work? Are there? Okay. Yes. So that’s also appealing if someone can access that within a 45 minute breathwork session with me.

Nice. If they want to. Yeah. So do they, so what are some of the things. Because when I think altered state of consciousness, I think back to what that’s been like for me, where I’ve seen like fractals of light and like the tree, the trees breathing and the rocks moving and all of that. Do you experience the same things similar and it’s different for every person?

For me, I’ve had some amazing fractal-like image. Images. I’ve like actually felt and seen connecting with an ancestor. Who’s like talking to me and handing me things. And yeah, other clients have experienced actually going through their birth portal and going back through their birth clients have told me, it felt just like an Iowa ASCA trip.

Yeah, it’s amazing. So we hold and store the most DMT in our lungs. DMT is the spirit molecule, right? And people take DMT as a substance in order to access some of these realms. But if you can do this circular breath long enough, if you want to, again, I would lead someone into it in a faster way. If that was more of a, there was there they were open to that.

Then we would go into it a little bit faster in order to access. Spirit and ancestors and our guides and being grounded with the earth, but the effects last, if you want them to. Because when we have these, whether they’re psychedelic trips or these breath work experiences, the lesson was there.

So if you allow yourself to remember when we get caught up in the rat race, wait a minute. I totally saw that tree breathe. Like I know what that is. I know that my vision is only seeing part of what there really is going on in this everyday life. So I’m going to remember that when I get super caught up.

So I will say the effects are lasting. If you’re going to do the work to allow them to be lasting and play into your life. That’s amazing and you’re absolutely right. I remember after the first time I did mushrooms in 2017 And I saw it was like a rock, but there was a whole universe that existed on the surface of that rock.

And it was like three dimensional. It wasn’t like flat, like the surface of a rock. It was like, I could see into the rock and there was. Lichen growing on it and that it had this whole relationship with this rock. And then I did it during the winter. And so there was like a little bit of ice on it.

And so there’s this whole experience with this rock. And then another time I did psychedelics a couple of years later I hiked to the top of a mountain and I looked down and I saw the trees below like square dancing with each other. They were like circling around and around with each other. And after those experiences and seeing what I saw, seeing the trees breathe, seeing the trees, dancing with each other, seeing the, a little tiny universe on a rock, it really does.

Like now I can’t go outside and not be, I know what’s going on right now. I just can’t see it. Yeah. Yeah. So it does change. Everything changes everything, but okay. Let’s wrap up. How can people work with you if they want to do some breath work with you? Are you working with people on zoom? How’s that work in?

Yeah, a lot of zoom sessions right now and all of these practices can be done via zoom. It’s really amazing. I. Never really knew how well it could work that way. I also still, I still see people in person if you’re a local, but I’m in Nevada County, in California. But plenty of people use SIM sessions with me.

So I offer a free phone console. So if you go to my website, you can sign up right away with your phone number and we can set up a phone consult and just connect and see if what I do resonates with you. And then we go from there setting up an appointment to meet on online and this web space. Nice.

And then is there like a certain number of GD, like packages, like a certain number of breathwork sessions or is it just people come until they feel like they don’t need to anymore? Or how does that work? Yeah. Yeah. So there are some people that like to just come. Often all the time and then check in with me, but I definitely offer packages.

I think it makes a nice the package makes it nice because I think it’s important after our first session that you still have some follow-up sessions with me because there’s so much that we’re integrating and moving in, especially if there’s a lot of trauma involved There’s a lot there for us to work through.

And sometimes it has to be worked through slowly and not jumping into this. Full-on charged, circular breathing session, sometimes that’s not right for people. So I offer different package ops options. I have packages for a first-time client session and then follow-up sessions, or you can keep them separate.

Yeah, and we just schedule, it can all be scheduled through my website, but the phone consults, a really nice way to get to know each other before setting that up. But if people are just ready, they can just visit my website and through booking, you can actually book all of that. Yeah. And your website is your breath, your healing.com.

Your breath. You are healing.com. Amazing. We will link to that and your Instagram and every other way that people can contact you and get in touch with you. Do you have any favorite resources or books for people who might want to learn more about breath work or implementing it? For themselves. Yeah.

For learning just about breathing and the importance of breath. Just breathe by Dan Brulay is like my Bible. I referenced that all the time. I love that book. That’s a really wonderful one for breathing for trauma. And he worked by Peter Leviathan is amazing. But waking the tiger is one of my favorites.

How the body keeps the scores and excellent book. I think I’ve linked to that in every episode. Yeah. But Peter Lavonne gives amazing talks too. I recommend checking out some of his talks and past videos are really amazing. Yeah, I think those are the ones off the top of my head, but just breathe this amazing book for understanding and learning lots of breathing techniques.

Amazing, wonderful exercises in that book. Awesome. Awesome. Thank you so much.

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